"George Lucas at it Again" Topic

Now he's dissing the fans, since it's our fault that no more of his movies are being made, due to the criticism of his movies.

Perhaps he should use the force to look inside, and decide why he thought it was a good idea for teddy bears to be able to defeat imperial stormtroopers, instead.

Yea, I get the whole cash-cow, toy tie in, and all the revenue that generated, but he definitely can't blame the fans for foisting that on him.

He's done some very good movies and he's done some very bad movies. While they are his films to make, I don't think he understands the fans of his Star Wars series.

Of the six movies he made, two were great, two were good and two were real stinkers.

He's 50/50 with his Indiana Jones movies, 1 & 3 great, 2 & 4 OK.

I hope that sometime (it will most likely have to be after his death) that more Star Wars movies are made by another who understands what the fans want. Lucas will never let it happen while he is alive.

I'm going to see "Red Tails" tonight. I think I will be entertained. If it's his last film, well, thanks for the good movies, George.

Linkie so I know what is being talked about?

Damon.

I heard on the radio today that Lucas said Red Tails is a "comic book" version of the story. That statement alone makes me wary of seeing the film.

I cannot and will not blame him.
Too many haters in the pool.
Too many folks saying "Gee that was dumb. Why did you add that part that I didn't like? I could have done it better." I'd get tired of hearing that too.

Star Wars is HIS universe. He can do whatever he like to it. We are all along for the ride.
I for one took them all for what they were. Fun flicks made for the kids of the time when they were filmed.

Oddball, he does not need to understand the fans. It's his movies. His universe. And you can't please all of the fans all of the time. What one fan likes, another will hate. He made the movies to satisfy himself (and, why lie, his bank account). No one else. These are the stories he wanted to tell.

Me? I like the ewoks. I like Jar Jar (in small doses). I like the podracing scene. I also love the sarlac pit. I am OK with the Midichlolians. I think that Empire was the worst film out of the 6. I thought that Revenge of the Sith was the best of the lot.

Odball, I am not trying to troll here, but can you see what I am trying to say? Not all of the fans want the same thing. So how can he go about doing a film that all of the fans like? Its impossible. So he did what he wanted to do.

I say, good for you Geroge. Thanks for the fun.

And when there is thing I want to change in the Star Wars universe, I go and game it, either in mini or RPGs. THAT makes it mine for the fun of my friends and the stories I want to tell.

But a link would be cool.

The fans would have wanted Ilsa to run off with Rick.

As dumb as I thought that much of the saga was (and I have had my say on that), richarDISNEY is right. It's not really OUR movie. It's George's. To him, it's entirely consistent and coherent.
If you don't like it, go an make your own movies.

I still say that Han shot first.

George Lucas ruined my childhood. Waaaahh!

I'm not much on Star Wars, so I don't really have a lot to say about that. It didn't really speak to me.

I do like Indiana Jones a great deal, even the films that most people don't care for as much as "Raiders". That first one set the bar higher than almost any other adventure movie.

Let's not forget that he actually wrote/directed/produced (in combinations of the same) other movies. American Grafitti's a fine film. Willow's the best hobbit movie that isn't about hobbits. Body Heat is still a steamer.

The aerial footage for the trailer from Red Tails looks quite good.

I can do without the overly hyped nationalistic speeches though, since I doubt they really occurred as depicted. Granted, I imagine they are doing that to get the point across, and to add a bit of drama to the movie, but it's a bit over the top in my opinion.

And the most recent edit of THX-1138 is no longer an automatic insomnia cure.

I think that Empire was the worst film out of the 6. I thought that Revenge of the Sith was the best of the lot.

Just based on acting, Empire is better than Revenge. Both (and Attack) are serials hacked into movie form, while New Hope, Jedi, and Phantom Menace actually hang together as movies better.

I like the ewoks. I like Jar Jar (in small doses). I like the podracing scene. I also love the sarlac pit. I am OK with the Midichlolians.

I don't mind the Ewoks in Jedi. It's the rest of their appearances in cartoons etc that I won't watch.

Aside from being a walking stereotype in Phantom Menace, I don't mind Jar Jar. That his naivete and suggestability are ruthlessly exploited later by Palpatine can be blamed on Boss Nass as much as anyone.

The original theatrical edit of the pod race is DeMille chariot racing at its best. The extended edit shows why the middle lap ended up on the editing room floor the first time.

I think most people's problem with the Sarlac Pit is that it is used to dispose of Boba Fett, not that the idea of a gigantic ant lion is itself stupid.

Midichlorians are, like Mace Windu and the Librarian, a symptom of what is wrong with the Jedi Order.

A funny review of "The Phantom Menace".

YouTube link

OFM, you're right. Han shot first.

I think most people's problem with the Sarlac Pit is that it is used to dispose of Boba Fett, not that the idea of a gigantic ant lion is itself stupid.

Both. But I admit I came to the latter reason because of the former incident. Most Disappointing Way to Dispose of a Potentially Great Villain. Can we at least have a reasonable firefight?

Ok, they're his films to do with as he pleases. But then he wants us to buy tickets and love them. Don't bitch about the fans, George, you took their money so now you get to take their abuse. They paid for privelage, so quit whining and man up!

I think most people's problem with the Sarlac Pit is that it is used to dispose of Boba Fett, not that the idea of a gigantic ant lion is itself stupid.

Both. But I admit I came to the latter reason because of the former incident. Most Disappointing Way to Dispose of a Potentially Great Villain. Can we at least have a reasonable firefight?

But he survived that incident…

Many fans just don't get the whole point of Bobba Fett and the Sarlac Pit and the whole fight on the sail barge. What is the point? Well, up to that point we've been TOLD for two whole movies about how important the Force is and how powerful Jedi are, but we've never really been SHOWN. In the first two movies it mostly Jedi-vs-Fallen Jedi fights or dog fights in fighters and such like that. In Return of the Jedi we start getting shown just why these Jedi are so darn important. In the sail barge-Bobba Fett fight Luke, a lone Jedi, takes on a whole batch of non-Jedis, including a super-duper bounty hunter and just makes mince meat out of them without breaking a sweat. The whole point is that these Jedi guys are pretty much invinceable if not countered by another force-using person. Later we see that the Emperor's powers have allowed him to completely outsmart the Rebellion and he would have crushed them if he hadn't been distracted by the whole business of trying to turn Luke to the dark side. It's some of the better plotting/writing that Lucas did in the whole series. It's a shame he screwed things up so badly in Episodes 1-3 :)

You guys are funny.

Star Wars was a loner, a long-shot gamble. There wasn't any real consideration of a full-blown story enough for half a dozen movies. All of the rewrite stuff was necessary because the unthinkable happened; everybody loved Star Wars and wanted more. And then technology got in the way, making the first three movies outdated; and then Lucas got too big; and it all threatened to go south; but it didn't, quite, do that, at least, not yet….

Star Wars is HIS universe. He can do whatever he like to it. We are all along for the ride.

That's true, but we are the reason he can do whatever he likes with it. We're the ones paying the money to go see the movies that provide him with the resources to frequently over-tweak it. So it's understandable when this megalomaniac changes things around that people get upset at their good memories being arsed up.

A lot of people do this, Speilberg and Orson Scott Card (ender's game – when I bought these books last summer they were all "the final definitive version!") among them

Sure Just visiting is right, but why could they not deal with the new movies to accomadate the previous?

George Lucas is talented as has made a lot of great movies. Wife and I enjoyed the last three SW movies and didn't see the problem with them, to be honest. But do hate the continual changes he's made with the original. Lucas is talented as I said, but he's also a selfish who doesn't seem to be able to see outside his own little world and understand the people who love it who are disappointed whenever he s with it.
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It's some of the better plotting/writing that Lucas did in the whole series. It's a shame he screwed things up so badly in Episodes 1-3

Except I don't think that's the writing. The prequels suffer more from Lucas-as-Director than from the writing shortfalls.

Many fans just don't get the whole point of Bobba Fett and the Sarlac Pit and the whole fight on the sail barge. What is the point? Well, up to that point we've been TOLD for two whole movies about how important the Force is and how powerful Jedi are, but we've never really been SHOWN. In the first two movies it mostly Jedi-vs-Fallen Jedi fights or dog fights in fighters and such like that. In Return of the Jedi we start getting shown just why these Jedi are so darn important. In the sail barge-Bobba Fett fight Luke, a lone Jedi, takes on a whole batch of non-Jedis, including a super-duper bounty hunter and just makes mince meat out of them without breaking a sweat. The whole point is that these Jedi guys are pretty much invinceable if not countered by another force-using person. Later we see that the Emperor's powers have allowed him to completely outsmart the Rebellion and he would have crushed them if he hadn't been distracted by the whole business of trying to turn Luke to the dark side. It's some of the better plotting/writing that Lucas did in the whole series. It's a shame he screwed things up so badly in Episodes 1-3 :)

I would believe this argument more if it wasn't for the fact that Boba Fett was killed because Han was clumsy…

Damon.

Maybe Fett was as bad assed as everybody thinks???

If all we ever got was star wars, i still would sing lucas' praises

OFM, what the fans think is best don't amount to a hill of beans.

I liked the Sarlac pit part. I thought it was one of the best parts of Return. Overall I liked Return of the Jedi, the only one that I thought wasn't good was Phantom Menace and I think that would have been good with less Jar Jar.

Pictors Studio I enjoyed Phantom Menace with Jar Jar Binks in it for me it could've been better with less of C3P0 IMHO.

Captain Gideon

"and it all threatened to go south; but it didn't, quite, do that, at least, not yet…."…

The reviews of Episode One, remade in 3-D should be in shortly.