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Ryan T21 Apr 2024 7:51 p.m. PST

Some time ago I acquired the book by John Guilmartin, Gunpowder & Galleys: Changing Technology and Mediterranean Warfare at Sea in the 16th Century. The book further prompted an interest in this period to the extent that I am now seriously looking to game it. And from what I have found online, the best rules for the period appear to be David Manley's Cannon, Cross and Crescent.

I do, however, have several questions concerning these rules. To start with, I am thinking of buying about 30 ships in total (a number decided on both by painting time and the cost of the beautiful 1/200 Langton ships). Do the rules work with around 15 ships per side with each side having 2 or 3 players? Secondly, what is the actual ground scale of the rules, i.e. yards or meters per inch or centimetre?

Furthermore, two years ago I was able to take a holiday in Crete and in preparation I read Bruno Magnai's The Cretan War, 1645-1671. One of the points the author covers is the change in galley warfare from the previous century by the increasing use of sailing ships in conjunction with the galleys. So to expand the range of my games, I am considering also purchasing some of the Langton ships from the period of the Anglo-Dutch Wars.

On the wargamevault website there is mention of a supplement to the C,C&C rules designed to be used with sailing ships: The True Glory – Armada Supplement for Cannon, Cross and Crescent. It would appear this supplement would work for the Cretan War variation, but are these included with the original rules or are they a separate purchase?

Any enlightenment on all this that anyone might be able to offer will be greatly appreciated.

David Manley22 Apr 2024 12:57 p.m. PST

The rules will work fine with that number of ships on each side (my biggest game had 100+, smallest was 1 or 2) "ground scale" is not specific, but 1" to 100 yards works.

The armada supplement is included when you buy CC&C. I'd not thought about the Cretan War, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.

Ryan T23 Apr 2024 7:25 p.m. PST

David, thank you for your prompt response. I'm going to pick up the rules in the next few days.

One hundred yards to the inch sounds quite viable, although I am hoping I can extend that somewhat to get closer to actual model scale; with 1/1200 ships that ideally would be 3 inches equaling 100 yards.

The inclusion of the The True Glory supplement is also good news. I now need to do some research into any visible changes in appearance between the 16th and 17th Century ships, but I suspect in 1/200 the differences will not be too noticeable.

Ryan

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