| owenmp | 23 May 2014 11:22 a.m. PST |
What are the levels of interest in automotive combat by the general public, the tabletop gaming community and the electronic gaming community? Steve Jackson Games is writing Car Wars Sixth Edition. Based on these interest levels, what type of game should be Car Wars Sixth Edition and what amount of complexity should it contain? Mad Max Fury Road is expected to be released in theaters next year. Will that film generate enough interest in automotive combat for other movies, games, fiction and media to address the subject for several years? Should Car Wars Sixth Edition have rules for low technology, Mad Max type of vehicular combat because Mad Max Fury Road is coming in 2015? Is there enough interest in automotive combat among the general public, the tabletop gaming community and the electronic gaming community to support *any* automotive combat tabletop game? |
| Justin Penwith | 23 May 2014 12:23 p.m. PST |
I just bought a copy of Road Rage a couple weeks ago, because Car Wars just takes too long to play with a sizable group. RR looks to work with 6-8 people at a fairly fast clip. Now, I absolutely love Car Wars and have most all of the produces that were released for it. The few things I am missing will be purchased in pdf form from Steve Jackson Games' webstore. I also just acquired about 40 Matchbox/Hotwheels cars that will work for both games. I am hoping to put on a game of RR for my club, this coming August |
| owenmp | 23 May 2014 12:50 p.m. PST |
Dear Justin: Are you referring to Phil Tortorici's Road Rage from Stan Johansen Miniatures? I own the core rulebook and the expansion. I have not played the game yet but it looks like a lot of fun. Have you looked at Gearmageddon? It is available as an e-book. It was also sold as printed book in a boxed set, but the company that produced it is now out of business. There are several game play elements of Gearmageddon similar to Phil Tortorici's Road Rage. Gearmageddon was written for Hot Wheels and Matchbox vehicles, therefore you can use Gearmageddon with those 40 miniatures you purchased. Gearmageddon (E-book)
Exploding Goat Games and Wargame Vault
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link Outrider is also a fast-playing vehicular combat game that is fun. Outrider
Dice Fest Games
dicefestgames.blogspot.com
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link I am very interested in your games of Road Rage and the reactions of your gaming group to the rules set. Please let me know of your experiences with the system. |
| snodipous | 23 May 2014 1:04 p.m. PST |
My group has been playing a lot of Axles & Alloys, a free rule set you can get online. It's fast, easy to learn, and the games can be crazy and epic. There's a certain feeling to driving your armored school bus at max speed towards the enemy, pulling a 90-degree turn at the last second, and crushing his car while drifting sideways, all while shooting at a third enemy! |
| owenmp | 23 May 2014 1:13 p.m. PST |
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| Justin Penwith | 23 May 2014 1:55 p.m. PST |
@owenmp Yes, that is the game I was referring to. I haven't heard of Gearmageddon, but I will check it out, thanks. I will post a battle report, once we play, on my blog. I will try to post about it here, but I am teaching three summer courses at the local university and may not remember. So, I cannot promise, but will try. :) |
| Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut | 23 May 2014 3:04 p.m. PST |
Car Wars is much like Star Fleet Battles; loved by its fans, but overly complicated for what it does for the rest of us, and could be more miniatures-friendly. Back in the day, I bad a couple of guys in my D&D group who were big into Car Wars. I tried it a few times, and just not my thing. Which does not make it a bad game, just not one that will please everyone. |
Random Die Roll  | 23 May 2014 3:41 p.m. PST |
I would like(and support)a full miniatures line to go with car wars 6th edition. Mad Max or Deathrace 2000 technology all the way up to laser turrets would be fine with me. I am looking for a game with 15mm or 32mm scale cars, a starter set with 2 body types and a plastic sprue of extra bits for custom builds. There was a game many years ago from GW…Dark Future if I remember right. I remember for sure the expansion supplement was titled "White Line Fever" |
| owenmp | 23 May 2014 4:41 p.m. PST |
@punkrabbitt Thank you for your comments! @Random Die Roll Games Workshop did produce an automotive combat miniatures game called Dark Future in the late 1980s. It had two supplements. The first expansion was a printed book called White Line Fever. The second expansion was a boxed set of extra models for cars, motorcycles and weapons called Battlecars. Note the Battlecars expansion was different than the board game Battlecars also produced by Games Workshop in 1984. My friend Francis Greenaway of the U.K. scanned the Dark Future and White Line Fever rulebooks for placement on the Games Workshop Web site. A few links to Dark Future resources are presented below. Rats. The Dark Future e-book has been removed from the Games Workshop Web site. All of the Specialist Games previously on the Games Workshop Web site are now gone. BoardGameGeek – Dark Future
boardgamegeek.com/game/2285 BoardGameGeek – White Line Fever: Expansion for Dark Future
boardgamegeek.com/game/13968 Dudley Darklords – Death Race Rules for Dark Future
dudleydarklords.org.uk
link (Microsoft Word) Future Highways: The Online Magazine for Highway Warriors of the Dark Future
futurehighways.roll2dice.com Sol-Aire CX-4
Hot Wheels Wiki
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Sol-Aire CX-4 is a recommended replacement for Dark Future's Interceptors. Roll Cage
Hot Wheels Wiki
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Roll Cage is a recommended replacement for Dark Future's Renegades. Dark Future
Collecting Citadel Miniatures
link Roadwarriors: War on the Autobahn
Military Miniatures Magazine
link Independent Gamer 1: Scratchbuilding Weapons for 1/64th Battle Cars
Imagine Image Multimedia
Archived by Autoduelin' on I-64 Yahoo! Group and Scribd
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link PBS4 Battlecars: A Boxed Miniatures Expansion for Dark Future
The Stuff of Legends
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| john lacour | 23 May 2014 6:21 p.m. PST |
the problem is, none of these games come cose to what we see on the movie the road warrior. thats too hard to capture. |
| Ed the Two Hour Wargames guy | 23 May 2014 7:14 p.m. PST |
Machinas, just off of it's successful crowdfunding, has a different take. All the cars stay in a pack so no one gets left behind and not having much to do.
The relationship of where the cars are in the pack is what's important. Much more interaction as players are doing something every turn.
Here's a Bat Rep and info.
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| Justin Penwith | 23 May 2014 7:52 p.m. PST |
@Ed Yep, Machinas is on my "to buy" list. I especially want it for the solo gaming aspect. |
| Ed the Two Hour Wargames guy | 23 May 2014 8:35 p.m. PST |
Justin – One sweet thing is it works with After the Horsemen as well as 5150 Urban Renewal. |
| Justin Penwith | 23 May 2014 8:54 p.m. PST |
@Ed Thanks, that is one of the reasons it interests me so, apart from the actual car combat aspect, as I want to add ATH to the games my sons and I play. We're currently building terrain, some of which will be useful for Machinas and ATH. |
| optional field | 24 May 2014 7:06 a.m. PST |
@Random Die Rolls,
Given SJGames utter lack of support for the Ogre miniatures (they didn't even bother to post a news article saying they were going out of production this year) I doubt very much we'll see a Car Wars mini line… |
| napthyme | 24 May 2014 10:56 a.m. PST |
My vision for car wars before the disastrous other release was to make it into GURPS table top and cover everything miniature related as far as vehicles including WWII/modern warfare, wooden ships, ect. Just do the rules justice and let us worry about the miniatures. |
| Gaz0045 | 25 May 2014 1:35 p.m. PST |
Thanks for the links for Axles &Alloys,just what I have been after for some highway action! ( being based on Full Thrust is a bonus as I know them already!) |
| owenmp | 25 May 2014 4:56 p.m. PST |
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| mister droid | 13 Jun 2014 5:41 p.m. PST |
I also unconditionally reccomend Axles and Alloys. It is super fun… While Car Wars sort of felt like work to me. But I guess that complexity is what it's large and rabid fan base likes about it. |
