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Personal logo Murphy Sponsoring Member of TMP Inactive Member02 Oct 2011 9:58 a.m. PST

Since I am NOT much in the know on Modern USMC TO&E or their equipment, I thought I would ask here. Does the USMC use the M113, and if so in what capacity? What level would it be found on?

Or is it just a "US Army" thing?


Thanks in advance…

Griefbringer02 Oct 2011 10:15 a.m. PST

As far as I am aware, they do not use the basic M113 in APC role, preferring instead APCs with better amphibious abilities.

However, they might have some support vehicles built on the M113 chassis, such as M163 anti-aircraft vehicle.

corvettek225 Inactive Member02 Oct 2011 10:15 a.m. PST

No. :-)

Dave

Arrigo Inactive Member02 Oct 2011 10:30 a.m. PST

No,

3rd Tank Battalion as some in vietnam borrowed from Army ARVN sources that was the only operational use of M113. They used M548 Tracked Carrier that was derived from the M113 but never used the M163 or any other M113 Hulls.

As a note the AAV7 is a completely different vehicles than the M113, it is not an APC, even if it has been used as such but instead a landing tracked vehicle. Different purposes.

Berlichtingen Inactive Member02 Oct 2011 1:39 p.m. PST

Definitely not.

As a side note, I remember being on a field op and passing some M113's while in an Amtrack. I rember thinking at the time that we could probably fit one inside our 'track

Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP02 Oct 2011 2:40 p.m. PST

In my 20 years never seen one.

Wolfprophet Inactive Member02 Oct 2011 3:11 p.m. PST

Weren't M113s pretty well pulled from service because they're obsolete, their armour is almost criminally thin and frags hard inside when hit outside and the Bradley is online and in sufficient numbers now?

thatguy96 Inactive Member02 Oct 2011 3:30 p.m. PST

M113s and related vehicles (such as mortar carriers and command vehicles) are still in service. There is no Bradley mortar carrier or command vehicle variant. A Bradley ambulance is in development I believe, but is also not in service yet IIRC. M113s are also in service with combat support and combat service support units that require its mobility.

haywire02 Oct 2011 4:16 p.m. PST

Wolfprophet,

They are a bunch of M113s that were used in both Iraq Wars, but I believe they were all US Army.

Wolfprophet Inactive Member02 Oct 2011 4:18 p.m. PST

Huh. Interesting. I figured they would keep them for support and command, but I'd hope the APC versions are at least better armoured now.

Though, if the Israelis can put a 60mm mortar in their Merkava tanks, I'm sure we can find a little nook to stick one in a Bradley turret to add to their close support function.

Lion in the Stars02 Oct 2011 5:29 p.m. PST

Nah, we just hang a Mk19 autoGL on a pintle. You can lay down a serious smoke barrage if you've got a belt of training chalks, let alone a belt of 40mm smoke.

Have you seen the 'Urban Survival Kit' upgrades? A .50cal over the main gun, an M240 for the loader, and either a .50 or a Mk19 for the commander…

Rhino Co Supporting Member of TMP02 Oct 2011 6:45 p.m. PST

Yes the Marine Corps has some at Camp Lejeune. They are in the G-10 impact area and are being used as targets.

Legion 402 Oct 2011 6:57 p.m. PST

As far as I know … "It's an Army thing" … Never saw or heard of any with the USMC. We squeezed 11 of us in there … Bradleys have replaced a lot of M113s in the Army, but as thatguy96 said, some are still around in various forms. I commanded an M113 Company back in the late '80s. They are mechanically reliable, but not very well armored. Sometimes we'd sandbagged the front hull, top and deck plates in the troop compartment. Better than nothing … but not much.
And the flat hull sides didn't help any either … I took every chance to dismount my troops when I could. But of course, they provided the mobility needed to work with MBTs …

Apache 603 Oct 2011 8:48 a.m. PST

I can confirm that USMC does not use the M-113 as anything but a target on ranges.

Grand Duke Natokina Inactive Member03 Oct 2011 11:37 a.m. PST

Other than borrowing some in I Corps in COuntry, no, Murph.
The dollar thirteen is an Army item.

Rubber Suit Theatre Inactive Member04 Oct 2011 11:24 a.m. PST

Some buddies of mine (Hi, Ratbone) used the "clown cars" as OPFOR vehicles once upon a time, alongside some faux Soviet stuff (Soviet hulls, western drive trains). The two stick control scheme is lots of fun if you grew up playing Atari's "Battle Zone" (which got grabbed up as an armor sim, yielding the tank gun controls for "Star Wars"). But never as a combat asset.

ScottS11 Oct 2011 8:07 p.m. PST

I can confirm that USMC does not use the M-113 as anything but a target on ranges.

Back in the early 1990s AVTB Amphibious Vehicle Test Branch, a small unit set up to test new amphibious assault vehicles had at least one M-113 that they used as a test vehicle for automotive components. This was located on Camp Del Mar, Camp Pendleton.

It was a tiny little thing.

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