"Yellow Ribbon Plain's War yahoo group created." Topic

Hi, if you are interested in the Yellow Ribbon rules or wargaming the Indian Wars on the Plains, a new yahoo group has been created.

link

Thanks,

John

Just joined up! Looks like a perfect spot for 15mm Plains War dialog.

Eric

John, I am honored that your group selected a photo from one of my galleries to display on your website. Good luck with the discussion group. Richard

Hi guys. A fine gent here going by the name Crusher started the group. I just wanted to give another shout out about the group. He should get all the credit! He also is the one who created the wonderful Yellow ribbon game counters that folks have needed for so long! The group will focus on the Plain's Wars and YR too.

Your pic is exceptional!!!!!! I wasn't sure if he had asked you to post it or not. I hope you wouldn't take offense if he hadn't.

Hope to see you there!

Thanks,

John

Just joined. I've been wanting to get cracking on my Blue Moon Plains Wars stuff.

How are the Injuns handled in YR? Are their actions taken off an event table, like Pony Wars: Company B ain't coming back?

Warrior bands are controlled through the order system. The order they get is determined by whether or not they are 'Controlled' (i.e. under player control) or 'Uncontrolled' (under the control of the game system). Morale test results can also determine which order the band must follow.

"Yellow Ribbon" is hands down the BEST representation of the behaviour of Plains Indians in battle--and practically the only one that even tries.

TVAG

I agree completely. Most rules have your Indians following orders just like your US Army units. Since Crusher created his counters running a game is now a piece of cake.

You can get Yellow Ribbon from RAFM for about 10 bucks, IIRC.

Thanks,

John

Where can I buy Yellow Ribbon?
sky

I don't have no stinkin' counters, just the books!! Where do I get the counters from??? Sal Sr. out!!! TIA

Join the Yahoo group and you can get the counters!

Sky see my last post.

Thanks,

John

Ah yes John. I need to read with my eyes open!
sky

It appears that you can buy Yellow Ribbon here;

link

and at a very good price by the looks of it.

Early Morning Writer, I had joined the group, now what!!!
Thanks, Sal Sr out!!!
Just tried the files, and Powerpoint, after being repaired, would not display the counters!!!

Hmm,have to check and get back to you but meanwhile read the messages, I believe there is one that points the way to the counters.

I just uploaded them as a PDF.

Thanks,

John

I was initially very pleased to see this group created, but judging by the initial posts on the few threads I've seen dealing with what is one of my favourite periods to read about and to game, it does very much seem to be an explicitly "15mm discussion only" approach to things.

It's both bad form and extremely disappointing to see TMP's trademark scale/size chauvinism being brought into the equation here. No single scale or size of figure "owns" a period of history, and the Plains Wars should be no exception.

I would welcome a public statement of the group's position with respect to non-15mm Plains Wars gamers by those who use these rules, but with a different scale/size of figure.

I replied to you by PM before I saw this post. I doubt that anyone would give you a problem discussing 25mm figs at the group. However, there are loads of Yahoo groups that focus on scale. Also, I say that calling it bad form is a stretch. One gent simply games in 15mm which even the author of YR suggests is the optimal scale for a game.

Thanks,

John

However, there are loads of Yahoo groups that focus on scale.

There are indeed. However, I am not concerned with those groups. I am concerned with this one. My initial take on it was that it was a group to discuss gaming the period using the Yellow Ribbon rules. However, the last couple of threads on this site – and indeed, the name of the group as evidenced by the URL – indicate that it biased towards 15mm, possibly to the exclusion of other scales/sizes.

Also, I say that calling it bad form is a stretch.

That is your opinion. I do not share your opinion. And please do not reference what was a private communication between yourself and myself publicly, as you have done here. I had expected better of you, and that was most certainly bad form on your part.

As I've previously stated on this thread, I'd appreciate clarification from the moderator on this matter. I've no wish to join a "15mm only" group, and wish to establish whether those who game with these rules but in a different scale are in fact welcome.

Actually, all snobbery aside, I wish more groups would distinusih by scale. That helps in at least three ways.

People can easily find what they want and do not have to sort through lots of stuff they don't.

It encourages just positive and constructive critics as there is no scale rivalry involved. The newbie can then compare the data between sites and not witness infighting.

It may also encourage more people to contribute. A person doing 10s or 15s may not want to post on a site where there are drop dead georgous 28mm or even 40mm figures. But if they all match his scale then sure show the work.

Just some thoughts. It does not cost extra to join more groups.

sky

Oh and while I am here… while I am waiting for my rules to arrive (I hope today as it is my birthday) are there any sites with good AARs using YR rules – in any scale!

sky

Mericanach,

Whilst the title of the group does indicate that it is for 15mm only, can I suggest that you go back and read the first post by the moderator. There he talks about the Yellow Ribbon rules, and others, and the search for scenarios. 15mm doesn't get a mention.

As, I think, the second person to join this group, and the owner of a lot of 15mm Pony Wars figures, I can tell you that I don't care what scale anyone games this period in. I am interested in the rules, and their interpretation, scenarios, and information on the real life participants in this period. The scale of your figures is totally irrelevant to me.

So why don't you join and take part in the discussion. Give us the benefit of your knowledge and experience. I would confidently predict that no-one would exclude you, or anyone else, because you use a different figure scale. After all, "the rules, and their interpretation, scenarios, and information on the real life participants in this period" are the same regardless of the miniatures you use.

Mericanach, I have no idea who got your knickers in a twist but you need to take a step back. I referenced NADA that was private. Your post IS here on this thread. I think you owe me an apology for jumping down my throat over something that frankly was not true!

Does this ring a bell? It's posted right above. I rarely get mad about anything here. But frankly you don't come off very well here.

"I was initially very pleased to see this group created, but judging by the initial posts on the few threads I've seen dealing with what is one of my favourite periods to read about and to game, it does very much seem to be an explicitly "15mm discussion only" approach to things".

"It's both bad form and extremely disappointing to see TMP's trademark scale/size chauvinism being brought into the equation here. No single scale or size of figure "owns" a period of history, and the Plains Wars should be no exception".

"I would welcome a public statement of the group's position with respect to non-15mm Plains Wars gamers by those who use these rules, but with a different scale/size of figure."

Thanks,

John

Go back up and read the part where you reference the fact that we had corresponded via PM prior to me making the post.

It is the reference to a private communication (insofar as you publicly mentioned the fact that I had PM'd you in relation to this matter) that bothered me. Like yourself, I don't get mad about much either. But I didn't like that, and have said as much. Take it up with Bill if you've a problem.

So, in exactly the same spirit as your post above, you don't come off too well either. Not from where I'm standing, anyway.

Wow, I am stunned. I get blasted about saying nothing. Um, you must have had a VERY bad day at work. Thursday after you've relaxed a bit you need to take another look at this. No person would act as you have here. Frankly, you are wrong and need to step up and admit it. I've said nothing. If that's an offense I don't know what else to say.

John

"I would welcome a public statement of the group's position with respect to non-15mm Plains Wars gamers by those who use these rules, but with a different scale/size of figure."

Oh, come on, lighten up – is 'size-ism' such a big issue in our little hobby? I think deephorse put it just right.

Or maybe I'm too laid-back and should be urging other contributors to chastise those heretics who will not adhere to the one true scale (whatever that may be!)

Based on my limited experience, YR is an excellent set of Pony War rules, that works well in any scale (though you'll need a big table for 25/8mm games!) and the more people that join the new group the better

I am the author of the Y! group mentioned here….

It was created for those like me who wanted to share information about Plain Indian wars for any ruleset but specially for YR as there were no other place to do it.

About the scale use any scale you want:15mm,20mm,28mm,40mm or 1.7m…. ;)

Come on! It is a hobby for fun.

Absolutely!

Just joined the group! Hoping to get a copy of "And Continually Wear the Blue" someday.

Good luck with that. Took me a while to find my copy. Now a treasured possession!

I've never seen a Plains Indian Wars board. Every one I've ever seen was a Custer, 7th Cav & LBH board….. :-) (ducks for cover)

Hi Buckeye, try Geoff at QRF (UK), I think he still has copies of both YR and CWTB.

Great set of rules and scenarios, will be interesting to see if they are ever re-released/updated/expanded following the death of the author – I've come up with a few extra scenarios over the last few years, but till now there has been no good forum for sharing them.

Hi, as I mentioned at the Yahoo group i actually discussed this with Greg Novak a couple of years ago. I was willing to help in coming up with a new version. He did not completely own the rights to the rules. According to him it simply wouldn't happen. I'd like to be hopeful but I sincerely doubt we'll ever see a new version of the rules.

Probably the smartest thing to do is start working on a set that does something similar. I have owned and played YR since it first came out. However, it has its own issues.

I have been working on my own set of rules called 'Pony Soldier' which I may open to playtest at some point.

Thanks,

John