"1/600 Oddzial Osmy (O8) vs Tumbling Dice quality comparison" Topic

Hey, lads ;)

I'm going to start my own set of planes from WWII/modern era in 1/600, and would like to know, which one from these two manufacturers are making THE best minis in the range of detail quality and historical identity/measurement?

For even more spectacular dogfights with WWII fighters I've chosen planes from Raiden Miniatures in 1/285, but this scale is not for me in global, 'coz bombers are too large and… sometimes expensive for massive raids on small size hexes (my choice for hexes will be 1,5" for 1/600 with 1" bases for fighters and 1,375 of an inch for bombers and… other big mommas :) from Litko. Same 1,375 I'm going to use with 1/285 fighters on 1,5" grid. Is this ok?)

So, what advice do you have about O8 and TD products at general? Any hints, thoughts and suggestions? And, thanks in advance ;)

First join the Yahoo 1-600 Miniature Aircraft group.

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Lots of pictures of the miniatures and a great bunch to get advice from.

Look at Dom's Decals website. He has pictures of just about all the TD aircraft.

TD are a bit larger than O8. I would not put the same plane from both on the table together but otherwise they mix OK.

In some ways the canopies of TD are exagerated but after painting you barely notice this. Sculpting styles are a bit different between the two and some people prefer one over the other. Some of either makers planes dont look quite right. Only you can decide. When looking at pictures of the planes from either maker remember that you are looking at a closeup which exagerates the faults of the models. Planes I thought looked bad in some instances were very nice when seen first hand.

TD is the most complete range but you will also have to look at Skytrex to fill some WWII needs or preferences. For instance they make a German Condor. O8 does not yet make US WWII. Some people like the P47 by skytrex better than TD. Another company just entering the 1-600 range is Raiden from whom you say you already have some 1-285. Keep an eye on them.

Good luck and welcome to my favorite air combat scale.

Al

thanks for the tip and for the warm welcome to genre also, Al :)

and yes, I've already watched and surfed net for 1/600 sources, joined 1-600 and CY6! groups on Yahoo and visited Dom's Decals :) they're all have been added to my bookmarks for future studies

the reason why I was asking for comparison between manufacturers lies in the moment you've pointed. O8 doesn't have US WWII planes, so, like it or not TD comes in play. Mixing this with that in different squadrons won't be a problem after all?

btw, is Skytrex producing planes on 1/600 scale? I didn't see any on their site, only 1/300 aircraft. or did I miss something?

thanks again for advices!

Which is best depends a lot on your painting style and ability – in the bare metal I often find OO look better, as they tend to have finer lines than TD, but personally I get a much better end result from TD, as the nice deep panel lines and very slightly exaggerated details really "pop" with my usual "block, wash and detail" painting style, while washes don't tend to work very well on OO models. Horses for courses; I suspect OO is generally the better if you're a really top notch painter, but if like me you're rather more, umm, workmanlike, TD is easier to get a decent result from….

As for Skytrex, their small range is hidden in with their 1/600 WW2 coastal forces naval.

All of the info above is good.

OO produces two-part aircraft, which need to be glued together (at least for their moderns – not sure about their WWII stuff, since I don't own any of it).

The TD aircraft are usually one-piece castings. Some of these have exaggerated details, and look only fair in plain metal, but as mentioned, usually paint up quite nicely.

I'm simply amazed at the superb sculpting and super-detailing of the latest OO jet releases, which even include air-to-air missiles.

Most products from either manufacturer are quite good, with the exception of TD's P-47's and P-51's (the wing shape is all wrong on these). In my opinion they really need to be resculpted, since they don't look anything like the originals. For those, I've purchased the Skytrex planes.

Thanks for your points of view Dom and Ace ;)

And Dom, yeah, I saw your multilayered :) work with Klear polisher on Yahoo Group :) and the model you've painted, what a scorcher it is! Your decals and camo are giving such a tiny thing great look indeed. I will try your method with my planes as soon as I get my own Klear… and your decals :) 'coz we got some problems with availability of Future or similar Johnson's products here, in Ukraine :)

And returning to our topic. Does it mean that TD planes are more detailed by all this fuselage and wing lines, which are way better for using washing method in painting? Maybe you have some unpainted pictures to compare same models from each manufacturer? Like spits and hun fighters for example.

What is your suggestions for my future Mighty Eighth fighter's mainstay then? :) Ace have told that TD jugs and Mustangs are not quite well with proportions, but O8 got nothing with yanks at all. Should I try to buy the 1/600 Raiden's Luftwaffe '46 Mustang then for a late model, D's and K's I suppose?

Btw :) Maybe I'm blind, but where have you saw jugs and P51 by Skytrex in 1/600?

Under their Coastal Naval Forces range, of course…..

The panel lines of the aircraft are way over scale, in terms of sculpting, for added interest. Some people like that, and others are less enamored by it.

*facepalmin' :))

oh, I see clearly now :) not bad at all for Skytrex and mostly for the economic packs of 10 for medium nazi bombers. too bad there wasn't any american and brits packs for large one's. at least 5 of them would be nice ;)

well, I guess that I can buy from every manufacturer and will start from Raiden's P51 then. tally-ho! ;)

Looks like I missed this one LOL. First off Thanks for joining my Group Iggy :). I tend to agree with what has been said so far. I also wanted to point out that Marcin at O8 has stated that he will be releasing US aircraft in the future and that mainly the larger aircraft will soon be the only ones in two pieces. Have you checked out this thread yet? TMP link
There are also a few others where the comparisons are discussed. In regards to comparisions there are a few pics in my yahoo Group with some side by side of TD and O8 aircraft and TD and Raiden too.
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Robert

My 1/600 Miniature Aircraft Wargaming Yahoo Group.
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I've written to Skytrex to suggest economy packs for others, without success, sadly.

Well, don't mention it, Kaos, 'coz it was inevitable after all :)) Great to have a community of like-minded persons under one roof :)

From now on, I will concentrate on lesser planes like fighters, and with time will move on to big mommas :)

Yeah, I've already checked this thread, Kaos, but my questions were in more detailed way of miniatures, and thank-u for those great comparison photos of O8 and TD models

And from this images, am I right that O8 is more smooth and leveled as compared to more rough and I must say near chopped models of TD? And O8 indeed lacks those fuselage and wing line patterns, that could be seen on the TD planes?

Do they have this EVIDENT scale differences? From the look on F16's, aren't they supposed to be one modification of Fighting Falcon model? I have and impression that O8 due to their more subtle and soft line transitions seems to be smaller than TD's, which are more crude block orientated? Is this correct?

Too bad for them, Ace :( And even more, for us all :/ It would be nice to have big planes in large stacks. But, it's not too bad after all) Skytrax are still expensive for me as for their delivery prices to my country, but overall quality of their works is great indeed. P51's and P47's btw are late modifications with bubbletop cabins, and we cannot use them as earlier razorbacks ;) so, we should say hello to TD again :) and I wish that Marcin will start his americans as soon as possible :)

and yes, I'm sorry for my english, because it's not my native language after all ;)

Do they have this EVIDENT scale differences?

- More so in the jets than the WW2 – the TD jets tend to be substantially bigger / chunkier than OO (biggest discrepancy is the Tornado) but the WW2 ranges, especially the single-engined fighters, are rather more compatible.

I have both, but keep them separate as I don't think they mix.

If you are going to wait for OO to release Americans, you can plan on waiting quite a while (smile) as he's not even got to the mid war period yet (and no WWII Americans unless they were lend-lease type vehicles and a/c), except for a couple of German vehicles. I'd expect him to finish out the early war period first while continuing to add to his modern.

Dan

Hey Dan Marcin posted in the Group back in July that "We should release US forces this year (Tunisian campaign)." And they will be "A usual mix of Shermans, Half-tracks and Jeeps – you know ;)
From aircraft some earlier fighters and bombers: P-40E, P-39, early Mustang and
Jug, B-25… Maybe something more odd if I figure it out…" . So it may be sooner then some think LOL :). Robert

My 1/600 Miniature Aircraft Wargaming Yahoo Group.
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Most welcome Iggy :). And no prob with your English. In regards to the "EVIDENT scale differences" Dom is totally right. O8 is more closer to 1/600 then TD seems to be. When it comes to which is most detailed when it comes to TD the newer releases from them are alot more detailed then the older releases until the older molds get updated. O8 being a newer company has the advantage of newer molds and techniques. Robert

My 1/600 Miniature Aircraft Wargaming Yahoo Group.
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Ok) Thanks to you all for useful advices. For now I will focus on late Mustangs by Raiden with O8 as my second for available models and TD and Skytrax as optional in line ;)

Marcin has stated again that the WWII US line will start to be released this year. Probably in November :). Robert

My 1/600 Miniature Aircraft Wargaming Yahoo Group.
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Good to know about this, Robert :)
I can't hardly wait for yanks by Marcin ;)

Me too. Though it seems that most will be types already covered by Skytrex and Tumbling Dice. Robert

My 1/600 Miniature Aircraft Wargaming Yahoo Group.
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