Paskal  | 01 May 2024 4:32 a.m. PST |
Hello everyone,
In 1688, King James II of England and Ireland and VII of Scotland (1633 – 1701) was dethroned in a coup d'état. What is your favorite camp? James or William? And why? |
| advocate | 01 May 2024 4:58 a.m. PST |
William it's are edging towards democracy. Jacobite towards absolutism. Need I say more? |
| Porthos | 01 May 2024 5:28 a.m. PST |
William. He was Dutch like me ;-)) |
| mildbill | 01 May 2024 5:41 a.m. PST |
monmouth was just a bit to soon. |
| Shagnasty | 01 May 2024 8:34 a.m. PST |
William, for obvious reasons. |
 Herkybird | 01 May 2024 9:28 a.m. PST |
William, I really don't like the Stuarts, and getting William allowed us to negotiate the terms of his enthronement, that set us up for a constitutional monarchy subject to Parliament. |
| All Sir Garnett | 01 May 2024 9:35 a.m. PST |
James, legitimate King, not a foreign usurper… |
| Gray Bear | 01 May 2024 9:57 a.m. PST |
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| Cerdic | 01 May 2024 2:30 p.m. PST |
William'n'mary, who was an orange… We need more fruit-based monarchs! |
| Paskal | 01 May 2024 10:51 p.m. PST |
@advocate
And legitimacy? @Porthos
It's a valid reason. @mildbill
Why? @Shagnasty
Explain. @Herkybird
Ah yes, a king without power… @All Sir Garnett
Yes, down with the usurpers… @GrayBear
And William without Mary? @Cerdic
Yes it's true, but what other fruits could make monarchs? |
| Sandinista | 01 May 2024 11:06 p.m. PST |
1688, the last successful foreign invasion of England where a Dutchman took the throne |
| AussieAndy | 02 May 2024 2:03 a.m. PST |
Good King Billy. It is also amusing watching the English try to sweep that particular successful invasion under the carpet. |
| Cerdic | 02 May 2024 11:34 a.m. PST |
Doesn't count – he was invited in… |
| Paskal | 02 May 2024 11:51 p.m. PST |
@Sandinista
No other candidates besides James? @AussieAndy
Is it because they regretted his coming? @Cerdic
There were no other fruits that could make an English monarch? |
| martinwilliams | 05 May 2024 5:24 a.m. PST |
A Dutch invasion the English like to pretend was something else! |
| Paskal | 05 May 2024 1:45 p.m. PST |
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| huevans011 | 05 May 2024 2:04 p.m. PST |
James was the pathetic, spineless lapdog of Louis XIV, an evil monarch whose sociopathic ambitions knew no rational bounds and who would strive to bring first Holland and then England under his brutal heel. William was a staunch, brave and decent man. Need I say more? |
| Paskal | 06 May 2024 1:28 a.m. PST |
@huevans011
However, many British people fought with conviction for James, not counting the Irish. |
| Bill N | 06 May 2024 12:24 p.m. PST |
Aside from his flight to the Continent I can't think of anything spineless that James VII and II did. I'd argue that he suffered from a bit too much spine (and a whole lot of tone deafness) rather than too little. I'm not terribly bothered by the deposition of James. That the Nation of England could depose its monarch had been well established by then. What bothers me was that the succession rights of his son were disregarded. If the Glorious Revolution had been what it is portrayed as then William and Mary should have become the regents for James VIII and III rather than rules in their own right. |
| Paskal | 07 May 2024 1:04 a.m. PST |
@Bill N
Bravo, you said it all! Indeed, his son's inheritance rights were not respected and if this "Glorious Revolution" had been so, then William and Mary could have become the regents of James VIII and III rather than ruling in their own right. |
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