Paskal  | 01 May 2024 3:27 a.m. PST |
Hello everyone,
When it comes to the English Succession Crisis , which side is your favorite? Harold or William? Or another? And why? |
| Deucey | 01 May 2024 6:30 a.m. PST |
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| Deucey | 01 May 2024 6:31 a.m. PST |
William has a much better army as far as miniatures go! |
| mildbill | 01 May 2024 7:17 a.m. PST |
Harold, but my forefathers were on the other side. |
| Shagnasty | 01 May 2024 8:36 a.m. PST |
Harold. I've stood on the ground and paid him homage. |
| advocate | 01 May 2024 9:50 a.m. PST |
Shagnasty, wasn't paying homage a Norman thing? ;)
Difficult to say as there wasn't really a 'legitimate' claim. Harold had the witan behind him, but was he forsworn? I'm not a big fan of William, but it was a very long time ago. |
| IronDuke596 | 01 May 2024 9:51 a.m. PST |
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| Grattan54 | 01 May 2024 10:19 a.m. PST |
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| Cerdic | 01 May 2024 2:40 p.m. PST |
Never heard 1066 called the "English Succession Crisis" before. I'd go for Harold. Seems like a great bloke to have a few pints with down the pub! Plus that HUGE ‘tache! William the Bastard seems like an austere, humourless, pain in the arse… |
| Paskal | 01 May 2024 11:47 p.m. PST |
@Deucey
Luckily you say so… William has a much better army as far as miniatures go? So I deduce that you are for Harold. @mildbill
Mine as well. @Shagnasty
Hadn't Harold sworn an oath to William? @advocate
Yes, had he perjured? @IronDuke596
Why? @Grattan54
It seems, however, that Harold and William were in their right because, during his lifetime, Edward the confessor made identical promises to other neighboring feudal lords, so as to ensure their neutrality if he could not contain them by strength. Truly Edmund Ironside's son, Edward the Exile, had the best claim to be considered Edward's heir. He had been taken as a young child to Hungary, and in 1054 Bishop Ealdred of Worcester visited the Holy Roman Emperor, Henry III to secure his return, probably with a view to becoming Edward's heir. The exile returned to England in 1057 with his family but died almost immediately. @Cerdic
Never heard 1066 called the "English Succession Crisis" before? Some only say "Succession". Even when he left the pub,completely drunk, Harold didn't use a HUGE‘tache, but a HUGE hache… |
| 42flanker | 02 May 2024 2:06 p.m. PST |
Harold's perjury was a Norman claim, so… |
| Paskal | 03 May 2024 4:17 a.m. PST |
@42flanker
This doesn't prove anything. |
| 42flanker | 03 May 2024 9:51 a.m. PST |
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| Paskal | 03 May 2024 11:09 p.m. PST |
@42flanker
We'll never know who lied. But for the people of the time, the matter is clearer because there was one who was even excommunicated, then who died violently… |
| Deucey | 06 May 2024 1:25 p.m. PST |
No Paskal, I mean I'd rather have an army of knights and infantry that I could also call Crusaders or any other contemporary continental army! A Saxon army if this period can't even really proxy a Viking army. The question was "which side is your favorite?"
I assumed that meant as a miniatures army. |
| Deucey | 06 May 2024 1:26 p.m. PST |
No Paskal, I mean I'd rather have an army of knights and infantry that I could also call Crusaders or any other contemporary continental army! A Saxon army if this period can't even really proxy a Viking army. |
| Bill N | 06 May 2024 9:09 p.m. PST |
The only legitimate claimant, Edgar Ætheling. All others are usurpers. |
| Paskal | 07 May 2024 1:16 a.m. PST |
@Deucey
For me this country should have returned to the Celts. Look at this: link @Bill N
Truly Edmund Ironside's son, Edward the Exile, had the best claim to be considered Edward's heir. He had been taken as a young child to Hungary, and in 1054 Bishop Ealdred of Worcester visited the Holy Roman Emperor, Henry III to secure his return, probably with a view to becoming Edward's heir. The exile returned to England in 1057 with his family but died almost immediately. |
