"Carlson's interview with philosopher Dugin" Topic

I've never been particularly interested in Dugin's views before, since we are ideological opponents (he's a right-wing conservative, and I'm a left-wing conservative). But if we see ways to treat the problem differently, then I completely agree with the diagnosis made by Dugin of modern society and liberalism.

I'm also surprised that books are now banned in the West…

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Interesting interview but much too short. I wish Carlson had delved into the ideological traditions that appear to underpin Dugin's views (e.g., Berdyayev, Solzhenitsyn, etc.).

Well, if you believe Carlson, the interview was spontaneous. I think, if you wish, you can find Dugin's books on the Internet and become more familiar with his views.

No long search was needed:

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I'm also surprised that books are now banned in the West…

Apparently, Carlson was in error:

During the interview, which was said to have been filmed earlier this year in Moscow, Carlson claimed that the Biden Administration banned Dugin's books inside the United States because his "ideas are too dangerous." While Washington did sanction the Russian philosopher in 2015 over his involvement in the Ukraine conflict, these restrictions do not ban the publication and sale of his books.

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Perhaps. Can you provide a link to his books in US stores?

A must watch interview.

Cuprum2, here's one where he's credited:

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You can also still buy his other books on Arktos.com, as you have shown in your post.

Btw, just because some stores don't want to sell russian Mein Kampf, doesn't mean that it's banned.

Sometimes, stores just don't…want to sell russian Mein Kampf.

Apparently they prefer the German one?))) And I didn't know that for you Hitler is a philosopher.

Some shops – does this mean everything? Apparently many are afraid that they will be "canceled" for disloyalty to the neoliberal regime)))

The first link does not open for me, the second link is online publications. I myself gave a link to it above. And this is a right-wing opposition publishing house located in Europe. Well, it is not surprising that the right of all stripes opposes the neoliberalism that Dugin described.

history.fandom.com/wiki/Arktos

By the way, what kind of hatred is Dugin calling for? On a national basis? Racial? Gender? Class? Please clarify.

Oh, I opened the link you gave first. This reminds me of the good old USSR. There, too, one could find many books criticizing and interpreting Western political literature.
But it was quite difficult to find Western literature itself))) Especially the uncensored one.

I am aware that Arktos is European, but they do ship to US. So no, they certainly are not banned. Not in the US, not in the West either.

Cancelling is not enforced by the government, what are you doing?!? Are you serious?
Btw, how many "cancelled" celebrities were executed by the neoliberal regime of the degenerated West?

I guess the idea of book shops having some integrity is a foreign concept in the Russia.

As for what kind of hatred nazbol Dugin is calling for…I don't know, you tell me:
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I can't open your link. Just quote Dugin – and I will find this quote myself.
Dugin's political philosophy can be expressed in the following words: traditionalism, Orthodoxy, postmodernism, the fourth political theory and Eurasianism. Let's look at each of his ideas in more detail.

Traditionalism: is an ideology built on the principles of pre-modernity, which includes the denial of nationalism, egalitarianism, capitalism in its liberal representation and support of religiosity, eternal traditions, the concept of civilization as opposed to individual nations.

Dugin presents traditionalism as the idea of denying the values of a modern liberal society of individualism and replacing them with the idea of eternal tradition (faith in God, heroism), which is already dead in our time, which was taken from the near-fascist philosopher Julius Evola (he did not consider himself a fascist or Nazi). The modern world, according to the philosopher, can generate and reassemble completely different ideas, so a return to tradition is possible. Dugin has great support from folk traditions and habits, which reproduce the "folk spirit." At the same time, traditionalism does not have to deny modern technologies, but, on the contrary, should be combined with them in the form of archefutrism.

Orthodoxy represents the key to understanding traditionalism for Russians, who were formed as a civilization precisely thanks to Orthodoxy. It is worth noting that for Dugin, a Russian can be any person who accepts the traditional and folk values of Russians (hence the concept of the "Russian world" is not a territorial, but a moral concept). At the same time, Dugin respects all other religions, pointing out that they are also true, but each for its own civilization.

Postmodernity is the newest cultural paradigm that replaced modernity (nationalism, liberalism and communism). Postmodernity, according to Dugin, denies any truth and destroys human existence and potentially replaces it with "others" (robotics, multiple genders, etc.). Dugin, on the one hand, considers this the end of humanity, and on the other hand, an opportunity to reproduce the lost discourse. It is Russia, in their understanding, that will fight the approach of the end, and this is its "special path."

The fourth political theory is an ideological concept developed personally by Dugin, which goes beyond the boundaries of "right" and "left". Traditionalism (without racism) is taken from the right and combined with leftist economic theories. For Dugin, the ideological dichotomy of "right-left" is outdated and no longer has a connection with reality, and, therefore, must be overcome. In this regard, Dugin is often classified as one of the "new rightists" who have been trying to break out of this ideological paradigm since the 60s of the 20th century.

Dugin develops the idea of Eurasianism following Nikolai Trubetskoy, Georgy Vernadsky and Pyotr Savitsky. The idea of Eurasianism should unite the countries of the former USSR into a single civilization, which should take an equal place in a multipolar world. In such a "common home" every cultural and religious community will find a place and a common purpose. About the economic structure of the Eurasian world, Dugin notes the following:

"Eurasianism gravitates towards the left socialist position. One can notice the closeness of Eurasianism to socialism, but not doctrinal, not Marxist, not atheistic, but rather Orthodox. Or Islamic, if we talk about Islamic forms of community life."

Why execute someone if canceling them is no less effective?
By the way, this is an excellent illustration of Dugin's words. Anyone who opposes the neoliberal dictatorship is labeled a fascist. Thank you – this is very clear)))

I personally do not agree with Dugin on everything, but he identifies the vices, ulcers and dangers of neoliberalism very clearly. Even if he were a fascist in reality, it would still not change his assessment of neoliberalism, since it is obvious.The diagnosis was made absolutely correctly.

Perhaps he should tell Putin that the Russian world is a moral concept, not a territorial one.

Perhaps Putin will then stop trying to annex all territories where Russians live to make them parts of Russia.

Dugin is Putin's Alfred Rosenberg.

If he didn't invent the phrase, he certainly has never objected to "From Vladivostok to Dublin!" for the scope of his own effing "Volk."

He's not just a gadfly and a humbug. He's, Goebbels-like, calling for the realization of ideas that would take the world to Armageddon, and all on the altar of the superiority of the Russian Race.

TVAG

I am going to read his 4th Political Theory this summer. He is certainly an interesting thinker and I hope it helps me to understand the current Russian political thinking.

I quite agree with his views against modernism and its successors, though I think he may misjudge the source and perhaps the solution (if there is one). But I don't know… which is why I need to read him.

It will be interesting to see if there is any overlap with the thinking of Burnham and Francis. I would suspect not, but we shall see.

As to his books being banned-define "banned".

My local bookstore has a section of "banned" books all of which are readily available on Amazon.

Dugin and Francis are more difficult to obtain. But they are evidently "dangerous" thinkers not fit for the Hoi Polloi according to our rulers. Funny how that works.

Joe Collins

Cuprum:

You seem to have left out the key element of Dugin's Eurasionism that some of us find a bit troubling – the rebuilding of a Soviet/Russian empire by force.

How else does one rebuild an empire?

You either use force or cunning and deceit. One could use both I guess.

I am troubled by the Great American Empire.

"A republic- if you can keep it". We didn't.

Joe Collins

I doubt they'd be banned. It's a heck of a lot more likely that they simply don't generate enough demand to create a ready supply, for any one of a number of reasons (turgid prose,niche belief system, general lack of interest in Russian matters among Americans, etc).

Just probably not quite as interesting as he imagined himself to be.

It's funny how Russians sometimes imagine some deep seated animosity on the part of an American society that, by and large, just really doesn't know or care all that much about them.

I still think Orwell's 1984 is used as a training manual/FM by some …

Well, actually, it was not me who said that Dugin's books were banned, but Carlson – all the complaints are against him.

It was Putin who proposed Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok. Naive boy – who needs the dense Russians in liberal Europe? Here the Poles will never agree to fully accept liberal values – what can we say about the Russians…

The superiority of the Russian race? Where is there even a word about this? Does such a Russian race exist? I know three: white, yellow and black – and you?))) Russians are the same Slavs as everyone else. No better and no worse… Dugin is not talking about this at all.

Yes, Dugin says that an armed conflict with the ideology of liberalism is inevitable. But he does not call for fighting with him all over the world – let each nation deal with its own problems. But he considers the Great Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians to be Russians, and, accordingly, considers this war a liberation war. That is why Ukrainian nationalists tried to kill him and killed his daughter.

Russians care about American society just as much as Americans care about Russian society. But it was at our borders that Russians were killed for ten years, and not at your borders that Americans were killed…

Dugin's views, in my opinion, are utopian. He actually proposes a return to the medieval political way of life, but at a modern technological level. In my opinion, this is fundamentally impossible. I am closer to the ideas of community and collectivism, albeit on a religious basis (or more precisely, based on Christian values), and not on a Marxist basis. And naturally, with real democracy – that is, with the action of society in the interests of the majority. I consider human beings to be the pinnacle of creation. God's likeness, if you want. I agree with Dugin here.

By the way, he interestingly noted that the current world has no dreams of a wonderful and bright future. All human creativity, all the mood of people reflected in it, awaits exceptionally dark times… It's sad. We get what we expect.

"By the way, he interestingly noted that the current world has no dreams of a wonderful and bright future. All human creativity, all the mood of people reflected in it, awaits exceptionally dark times… "

I'm surprised. I would have thought you of all people would recognize this as a core concept across centuries of Russian literature. Let's face it, the pinnacle of Russian culture, Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake, ends with (Spoiler Alert) "The hero is dead, the heroine is dead, but it is very very beautiful".

Oh, in Russian culture the Orthodox plot of suffering, sacrifice, and death is popular as a path to the Kingdom of God, that is, as a path to educate the human soul. But this is not at all an image of the future, it is just part of Orthodox culture. "God endured – and commanded us to."

If we compare works of art and the image of the future, I recommend watching Soviet science fiction films or reading Soviet science fiction writers. These works are completely dominated by ineradicable optimism and faith in a better future for humanity. There's a thirst for exploration and development. The desire to live and make life bright and joyful.
Have you read the Strugatsky brothers, Efremov, Belyaev, Pavlov, Snegov? I recommend it – you will enjoy it. If you find something in English, of course…